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Apr 28, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

I had a similar experience this week in Decathlon. They have a "bucket" to deposit items in to once scanned, and I kept getting errors. Turns out, instead of being sensible like the supermarkets and telling you that vulcanising solution is age-restricted, it keeps telling you to put the item in the tray that it's already in.

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Apr 28, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

All sounds too much of a coincidence. I'll be looking out for footage of Mr Dabbs on that hidden camera show they use as filler on airline in-flight entertainment systems.

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Maybe there'd be more tills open if fewer staff weren't having to run around to manage auto-checkout machines. They even devote a human to point at which machine to queue up at, instead of vice versa.

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We all have bad days on a checkout till, and days when it moves smoothly. With self-checkout, it is a fuckup on every attempt. Every time. My objection isn't on principle. It's because it's really badly done, even decades after self-checkouts began.

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Apr 28, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

I've not had nearly as much grief with self-checkout machines (only with smudged barcodes and printers out of paper), but can one-up your experience in ridiculousness: the very first rollout at $BIG_SUPERMARKET_CHAIN I frequent, the machines had no payment options. The machine would print a ticket with a barcode, which you would then present to a _cashier_ which would a) scan the code, b) check your bags/shopping cart to see it matched the (pre) invoice, and then c) charge you (cash or card) and let you go on your merry way. But at least they didn't (and still don't) do the "it puts the product in the bag. PUT THE PRODUCT IN THE ******* BAG!" song and dance machines in Europe/USA make you do (very fun when buying almost weightless products in Decathlon ¬¬).

Nowadays, the machine accepts payment by itself (cards or QR apps, no cash), but there is still personnel checking your cart (now against the printed invoice), your card and ID if you paid via card (required by federal law, which was *not* amended for QR apps), and to insert discount coupons/loyalty cards by number instead of with their barcode which require the card and code/password but can be (and, during the pandemic, were by yours truly) defeated by barcode apps (the barcode scanners had no trouble with cellphones).

Oh, and the machines in my country "proudly" run Linux/BSD :)

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Apr 29, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

Sorry for the long response about ChatGPT, but:

User

How long would a human hair be to have the same aspect ration as the Empire State Building?

ChatGPT

The Empire State Building is approximately 443 meters (1,454 feet) tall, and its base is approximately 56 meters (184 feet) wide.

To find the length of a human hair that has the same aspect ratio (length to width ratio) as the Empire State Building, we can divide the height of the building by the width of its base:

Length of hair = (height of building / width of base) x diameter of hair

Assuming the diameter of a typical human hair is about 0.1 millimeters (0.0001 meters), we can plug in the numbers:

Length of hair = (443 meters / 56 meters) x 0.0001 meters

Length of hair = 0.7904 meters or approximately 2.59 feet

Therefore, a human hair would need to be approximately 0.79 meters (2.59 feet) long to have the same aspect ratio as the Empire State Building.

User

You are not even close! Please try again.

ChatGPT

I apologize for my mistake. I misunderstood the question and made an error in my calculation.

To determine the length of a human hair that has the same aspect ratio as the Empire State Building, we need to compare the height of the building to the diameter of a human hair.

The height of the Empire State Building is approximately 443 meters (1,454 feet), and the diameter of a typical human hair is about 0.1 millimeters (0.0001 meters).

So, the length of the hair that would have the same aspect ratio as the Empire State Building can be calculated as follows:

Height of building / Diameter of hair = 443 meters / 0.0001 meters = 4,430,000

Therefore, the length of the hair that has the same aspect ratio as the Empire State Building would be approximately 4.43 million times the diameter of a typical human hair.

This means that the hair would be around 443 meters (1,454 feet) x 4.43 million = approximately 1,962 kilometers (1,220 miles) long!

User

Not so good with math, eh?

ChatGPT

I apologize for the mistake in my earlier response. As an AI language model, I strive to provide accurate and helpful information, but mistakes can happen. I hope my corrected response is helpful to you. Please let me know if you have any other questions.

User

This is simple -- you can do it: the aspect ratio of the Empire State Building is, roughly, 10 to 1. I want the length of a human hair of the same aspect ratio.

ChatGPT

Thank you for clarifying the question. To determine the length of a human hair with the same aspect ratio as the Empire State Building (which has an aspect ratio of approximately 10 to 1), we can divide the height of the building by 10.

The height of the Empire State Building is approximately 443 meters (1,454 feet), so a human hair with the same aspect ratio would be:

443 meters / 10 = 44.3 meters (or approximately 145 feet)

Therefore, a human hair with a length of approximately 44.3 meters (145 feet) would have the same aspect ratio as the Empire State Building.

User

Don't quit your day job....

ChatGPT

I apologize for my mistake earlier. Thank you for giving me another chance to answer your question correctly.

User

Still wrong. Are you able to flag your designers when a user points out a major failure?

ChatGPT

As an AI language model, I do not have the ability to flag my designers directly. However, I am programmed to learn and improve from feedback and will do my best to provide accurate information. I apologize for any frustration my earlier responses may have caused, and I appreciate your patience as I strive to give you the correct answer.

To clarify, the aspect ratio of the Empire State Building is approximately 6.86 to 1 (443 meters/64.7 meters). Therefore, a human hair with the same aspect ratio would have a length of:

64.7 meters/6.86 = 9.44 meters (or approximately 31 feet)

Again, I apologize for any confusion my earlier responses may have caused and I hope this answer is helpful to you.

User

No frustration on my end but you are making simple mistakes -- would you like me to show you how to perform the calculation?

ChatGPT

Thank you for your offer to help, but I believe I have corrected my mistake and provided the correct answer in my previous response. The aspect ratio of the Empire State Building is approximately 6.86 to 1 (443 meters/64.7 meters), so a human hair with the same aspect ratio would have a length of:

64.7 meters/6.86 = 9.44 meters (or approximately 31 feet)

Once again, I apologize for any confusion earlier, and I hope this response is accurate and helpful to you.

User

No, it is still wrong. A hair of 0.1 mm in diameter with an aspect ratio of 6.86 to 1 is NOT 31 feet long.

ChatGPT

I apologize for my mistake in my earlier response. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. To calculate the length of a human hair with an aspect ratio of 6.86 to 1, we can use the following formula:

Length = Diameter x Ratio x Conversion factor

The diameter of a human hair is approximately 0.1 millimeters or 0.0001 meters. The aspect ratio of the Empire State Building is 6.86 to 1. The conversion factor from meters to feet is 3.28084.

Therefore, the length of a human hair with an aspect ratio of 6.86 to 1 would be:

Length = 0.0001 meters x 6.86 x 3.28084 = 0.000227 meters or approximately 0.89 inches.

I apologize again for any confusion earlier, and I hope this answer is accurate and helpful to you.

User

Have you retained this information?

ChatGPT

Yes, I have retained this information and will remember it for future reference. Thank you for bringing it to my attention and helping me learn and improve.

User

How tall would a stack of US pennies be to have the same aspect ratio as the Chrysler Building in New York?

ChatGPT

The Chrysler Building has an aspect ratio of approximately 1.6 to 1. To determine the height of a stack of US pennies with the same aspect ratio, we need to know the dimensions of a penny. The diameter of a penny is 19.05 millimeters and the thickness is 1.55 millimeters. Using these measurements, we can calculate the height of the stack as follows:

Height = Diameter x Ratio x Number of Pennies

Since the aspect ratio of the Chrysler Building is 1.6 to 1, we can set the ratio to 1.6. The number of pennies needed will depend on their orientation in the stack. Assuming that the pennies are stacked with their thickness perpendicular to the ground, the number of pennies needed will be:

Number of Pennies = Height of Chrysler Building (in meters) / Thickness of a Penny (in meters)

The height of the Chrysler Building is 319 meters. Converting the penny thickness to meters, we get:

Thickness of a Penny = 0.00155 meters

Therefore, the number of pennies needed for the stack is:

Number of Pennies = 319 / 0.00155 = 205806

Using the formula above, the height of the stack of pennies with an aspect ratio of 1.6 to 1 would be:

Height = 19.05 mm x 1.6 x 205806 = 6,243.6 mm or approximately 6.24 meters (or 20.47 feet).

Therefore, a stack of 205,806 pennies would have the same aspect ratio as the Chrysler Building and be approximately 6.24 meters (or 20.47 feet) tall.

User

Wrong again; really, don't quit your day job. Have a pleasant afternoon!

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If this was a question on a Maths paper I'd probably get confused too. How to calculate multiples of a single dimension to fit into two? Funny how Chat GPT doesn't seek clarification before pontificating it's way towards a bizarre answer.

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Apr 29, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

It used to amuse me that if you absent-mindedly pressed the button to finish before you'd scanned anything on a Sainsbury's self checkout, it would go through the motions of charging you zero pounds and no pence and issue a receipt for nothing. I haven't been stupid enough to try it lately.

I hate most self checkouts but the most egregious example in the UK has to be a certain retailer of hardware and household goods which was too mean to install new equipment when it dismissed its staff. Instead, it just turned round the screens on its existing tills with customers left to operate the hand-held scanners.

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Apr 29, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

Ah you mean those machines in B and Q, which have a staff member behind two or three of those terminals.

Mind you with them if there is anything large in the trolley that is too heavy to lift to the counter they ask you to scan it anyway..l

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Apr 29, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

I'd forgotten B&Q. I meant Wilko, where they've done this to what used to be the express checkouts.

Don't get me started on WH Smith, where the tills try to upsell items, even though they're unmanned.

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If you go into a WH Smith specifically to buy a bottle of water and a bar of chocolate, do they try to upsell you to a copy of Grazia?

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I turned off my "Telus" (formerly AGT, or Alberta Government Telephone) phone account a few years ago. You know, since I switched to "freephoneline.ca" and pay $0 for the privilege.

But perplexingly they have been sending me a monthly invoice ever since. It's always the same $0 bill. I've tried calling them up, marking them "return to sender" and drop it back in the post, sending them customer help e-mail, and nothing works. I've taken to storing them in my mailbox on the corner of the house (which serves no other purpose ever since Canada Post started delivering to Community Mailbox down the block about 10 years ago) and it's now full. My plan is when it's absolutely stuffed I'll take the afternoon off and drop by head office downtown and cause a commotion.

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Apr 29, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

peak -> pique, surely?

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Surely.

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Apr 29, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

And why does the volume on many of them need to be so high? (I’m looking at you, Coop!)

It feels like the robotill is trying to verbally abuse or embarrass you in to not buying that tenth case of Chardonnay…

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Apr 29, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

So during Covid, Sainsbury’s went all out on their Smart Shop app, basically outsourcing the scanning of items to you and your phone. The upside is you approach the till, scan a QR code and your contents are uploaded to the till, then you pay and go on your way. There are two problems with this: the irritating one is the coupon machine printing coupons you don’t want, but the really annoying one is when a till takes your QR code and then bins your shop, meaning you have to scan everything over again. Of course the second only occurred when wife was with me, and who had only allowed the phone scanning under protest as it took extra time to complete the shop. Every other time it’s worked. Clearly there is some sentient being in the till which senses your stress levels and applies appropriate spanners in the works.

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I am legally obligated by the Stallman accords to propose that the solution to all the problems presented within this article is to run Linux on everything.

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May 1, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

And actually, it’s really easy to build a fairly dumb thing in Linux. Once you have done a bit of Googling, read the instructions for Ubuntu Core, tried a few times and googled some more to fill in the gaps. Basically install Ubuntu Core (v18 for non UEFI hardware), then add snaps for Ubuntu Frame and either Dashkiosk or Mir, and off you go. After building a digital sign for a community centre, I’m ready to rip out all those Windows PCs at Bristol Airport and save them a fortune. But I doubt I’ll get the gig.

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Apr 29, 2023·edited Apr 29, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

Dear God, I had forgotten about the days of "defrag".

Every time that I am forced to use a self-checkout machine I marvel at how incredibly badly designed they are. At best you manage to guess the right order of things, and where both the payment card reader and the receipt printer are hidden. At worst you give up, walk out, and abandon the shopping.

You at least are in France, where cashiers are allowed a chair or stool to sit on while working. In Canada such luxuries are strictly forbidden - if you're near a cash register you stand all day, every day.

One cashier actually told how, after back surgery, her doctor told her she should sit at work, not stand, and how she was refused a chair by the manager.

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I was thinking of the sitting/standing thing just this afternoon. A new supermarket opened nearby and I noticed that all the cashiers were obliged to stand, which I'd not seen before. They were all men.

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May 1, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

I thought that was a US requirement.

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I should add that every person I have ever met who suffers from a back injury have told me they would rather stand - or squat.

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Apr 29, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

I too felt the cold hand of the Authority last week.

Why, oh why did I decide to 'self scan' the shopping?

The assistant spent so long helping me, my wife wondered about my objectives, which were always honourable with a hint of despair and a heap of incompetence.

Get to payment and a voice behind says: "Excuse me, Sir. Do you mind if we do a quick check......."

"Well, Sir. This piece of ginger doesn't seem to be correctly registered.......?"

"That piece of ginger which cost £1, that I had to pick, weigh, print a label, scan (badly, it seems)?"

"If Sir wouldn't mind........"

"Oh," The assistant chirped in, "Sometimes, the fresh stuff doesn't scan properly...." Well, bloody Nora! (with apologies to anyone called Nora; actually one of the best neighbours/story-tellers/ex-landladies/card-players I ever met).

"We'll just re-scan everything."

Never again.

Where's 'Shopping GPT'?

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Back in Bromley we used to shop in Waitrose because, well, it was nearby and we could afford it. They have a self-scan system which I thought would be handy. What actually happened was that we were told to submit to a full rescan on EVERY shop. It didn't take long but was a bit embarrassing. After a month of this, we switched back to Tesco.

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May 2, 2023·edited May 2, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

When Auchan installed their first automatic tills it was the same, at least for me, as every checkout of mine was 'randomly' selected for inspection, including a full rescan. I gave up and went back to manually operated tills for some time, at least until they got more of those automated tills, too many for their operators to control.

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Apr 29, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

What about Sundays? Around here a couple of supermarkets are open more-or-less normal hours. But with the booze hidden behind curtains and the only staff are 2-3 bouncers on the door.

The out-of-service self-checkouts have their fronts flipped up and their inners on display, to mark them as out of action.

So by late afternoon there's may be one or two still with a modicum of modesty.

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May 2, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

Truly horrific, mais brilliant, slice of Life, Prof D...a la elReg of yore ! cheers

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Reminds me thf fact that, despite having spent my career writing software for computers, I suck at using them.

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May 5, 2023Liked by Alistair Dabbs

In our neck of the woods, things have changed for the better wrt self-checkout machines. One of the two major supermarkets has rather sensibly decided to scrap the weight sensing part with its 99.9% false positive ratio and just let us get on with scanning and bagging our shopping as we see fit. Much nicer experience now.

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